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    I'm building a deck and need some design input. The deck is approx 4.8m x 4.8m. The decking is macrocarpa (150mm x 32mm) and I've order enough 100 x 50mm joists for 450mm centres. I need to spec out the bearers. How big do they need to be and what range should the span be? The bearers will be at ground level.

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    This will probably answer your question.

    disclaimer: I'm not a builder, and the only 2 decks I've ever built were over-engineered. The first one was 3M above ground & I managed to source some 300x300 posts so it was more solid than the house it was bolted to.

    The other thing that might be useful is checking wether your local council may have regulations for size etc

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    edited, wrong. too late at night
    Last edited by Mark Vuleta; 12-02-2012 at 09:29 AM.

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    Thanks guys.

    mark, so if I dupouble up the bearers, I only need 4 rows?
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    edited, wrong.
    Last edited by Mark Vuleta; 12-02-2012 at 09:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Vuleta View Post
    Yep, 4 rows of bearers with 5 rows of joists above them. Min. thickness for any bearer is 75mm but it is generally cleaper to double a 150 x 50 (to make it a 150 x 100) than try & find a H3 150 x 75.
    Thanks. 5 rows of joists? I was planning on 14?
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    (Edited again & again, must have been too late at night: Decks are supposed to be designed to a 2kpa floor load, I origionally calculated at 1.5kpa)

    (taken from NZS 3604:1999, this standard has been revised since my copy but this aspect (timber loadings) haven't changed from my understanding)

    For 100 x 50 floor joists @ 450 centers, max span of joists is 1.40m.

    Therefor, suggest 5 rows of 150 x 100 bearers at 1.2m centers (perimeter & intermediate spacings)

    150 x 50 treated timber is generally cheaper than 75mm thick timber, suggest double 150 x 50 to give 150 x 100 bearer, 5 rows at 1.2m centers (perimter & intermediate spacing) with 125 x 125 timber piles at 1.6 centers along the bearers i.e 4 piles per bearer, total of 20.

    With the bearers being at or near ground level, stainless steel fixings will be required.

    For a deck, floor load only, pile footing support only needs to be min. 200mm square or 230 dia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duncan View Post
    This will probably answer your question.

    disclaimer: I'm not a builder, and the only 2 decks I've ever built were over-engineered. The first one was 3M above ground & I managed to source some 300x300 posts so it was more solid than the house it was bolted to.

    The other thing that might be useful is checking wether your local council may have regulations for size etc
    Yes, check with council, visited recently as deck is on my to-do list. Max size here to build without a consent/permit is 20 square metres and no higher than 1m off ground and 1m away from any boundries. Even without a consent/permit it still has to be built to building code standards so keep that in mind if your selling soon or have nosey neighbours that are liable to interfere. Council guy here in Napier was very friendly and helpful.
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM162576.html standards

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...DLM309339.html exempt work

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    Thanks guys

    I have already looked into the regs and ihave factored in most things I hope
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    here is a crude picture of my plan

    deck.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    here is a crude picture of my plan

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    deck.pdf
    looks fine to me..

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    OK, here are some work in progress photos. It's a case of slow but steady progress at present as I never seem to get a long run at it.

    So far I have put down the Macrocarpa sleeper lawn edges and shifted 5 cubic metres of soil from the drive, and levelled this off. I installed the sprinkler system but time pressures meant someone else laid the turf. (Not sure they did as good a job as I would've done but I want to get everything finished before I leave for the UK in two weeks).

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    The deck is progressing slowly

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    Lookin good!

    Leme know if you need a hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjd View Post
    Lookin good!

    Leme know if you need a hand
    the saw would be handy for that kinda thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomguy View Post
    the saw would be handy for that kinda thing
    Indeed. I'm very paranoid about unplugging it etc when not being used, as small children can be inquisitive...
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    Jeepers that would be terrible!!!


    Looking good though Adam, you have skills!

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    A couple more showing progress. I got the last two bearings levelled and cemented in on Friday night, and then squeezed in an hour on the weedmatting on Saturday (in between golf and going out for a Thai feed). After more golf, and junior golf, I managed a few hours run at it and got all the joists in place. It might yet be finished before the UK trip..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    It might yet be finished before the UK trip..!
    nice - Just a thought, you do realise there's going to be about 1200 nails holding down the decking? (that also need to be punched below the surface)

    but then there's these new things called "nailguns" around that make things a bit quicker...

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    Quote Originally Posted by duncan View Post
    nice - Just a thought, you do realise there's going to be about 1200 nails holding down the decking? (that also need to be punched below the surface)

    but then there's these new things called "nailguns" around that make things a bit quicker...
    Yes, I have a big tun of nails waiting for me...

    There are 10 joists and about 35 boards so it should "only" be 700 or so...
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    I've been researching punching the nails and advice is conflicting. It appears that twist nails are not designed to be punched. Anyone confirm this?
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    I've made a bit more progress over the last two nights. All the joists are fixed in place (with Z nails) and I've made the "frame around three sides of the decktop. Finally, I've cut almost half of the boards to length but I still have to drill/nail them into place. Hopefully I'll be ready to drill and nail them over the weekend!

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    Looks like pine decking, why drill.
    There is no need to punch nails on decks, just drive them down flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawaka View Post
    Looks like pine decking, why drill.
    There is no need to punch nails on decks, just drive them down flush.
    Thanks. It's Macrocarpa decking.
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    I had a deck made - I got them to use stainless steel screws to hold the decking down, they used a screw-gun.

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