The Hobbit at 48fps

[Desmond]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the story about the movie being filmed at 48fps and people complaining about it not looking 'normal' because movies have been 24 fps for so long ? I'm thinking that perhaps it is the way of the future - faster frame rates and maybe people will get used to it - people are resistant to change in general and perhaps it is just because they are used to 24fps that they see 48fps as not being normal?

[rjd]

Not sure anyone would notice.

[Adam]

I dunno. When we got our latest TV the default setting made everything far too "real". We changed the settings to make it look more like the movies!

[Desmond]

Not sure anyone would notice.

Apparently many did :
"While many at the crowded showroom at Caesars Palace applauded the depth and detail in the large-scale battle sequences, some found more intimate daylight sequences too crisp and bright, complaining that they looked more like HD video and that the new process sacrificed a traditional “cinematic” feeling."

[rjd]

Still not sure thats 48fps or a cleaner digital workflow.

[riley989]

The average human eye should be able to see the difference, past about 60fps it starts getting pretty unnoticeable. Also high FPS lets them use techniques that allow darker/brighter images by inserting pure white/black frames in between the actaul frames to trick the breian into seeing darker/lighter images.

As a very enthusiastic computer gamer I can tell you the difference between 30 and 60 FPS is huge.

[Desmond]

The average human eye should be able to see the difference, past about 60fps it starts getting pretty unnoticeable. Also high FPS lets them use techniques that allow darker/brighter images by inserting pure white/black frames in between the actaul frames to trick the breian into seeing darker/lighter images.

As a very enthusiastic computer gamer I can tell you the difference between 30 and 60 FPS is huge.

I imagine with advances in technology , more surround sound speakers , higher definition , 3D , bigger screens etc. it is only inevitable that they will increase frame rates of movies and soon everyone will be used to it .


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[rjd]

As a very enthusiastic computer gamer I can tell you the difference between 30 and 60 FPS is huge.

You cant relate the two.

Film is a 1/24th slice of action, most computer games arnt, even if they are faking motion blur, which is why you need higher fps to make it look smoother.

3D is already shown at 96fps anyhow...

[mesodan]

Looking forward to it.

Surprised they're not doing it for TV/sports already.

[riley989]

It does remove the jerkiness of move movements. I think a lot of blurring comes from the monitor rather than the computer it self from it not being able to change from light to dark quick enough

[mesodan]

The Showscan 'Billy T' film in Queenstown (at the top of the gondola) is 60 fps, and I really noticed the effect (and liked it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showscan

[chrisgin]

I dunno. When we got our latest TV the default setting made everything far too "real". We changed the settings to make it look more like the movies!

I found that as well with TV's that support HD. They tend to have an 'HD smoothing' option turned on by default and it stuffs up the movement, makes it seem artifical. Turning this option off makes it look okay while still enjoying the higher resolution that HD offers. This was a few years ago when HD TV's were still reasonably new, I don't know what the latest models are like.

[Adam]

We got our tv about a year ago. The viewing experience was so bad It hurt my eyes

A bit of a tweak and it's now great.

[Big Beres]

I've just watched "Marley and Me" on my new iPad 6.73 with fps of 87.4. I couldn't really tell the difference from when I watched it last week on my Phillips K9 playing through the VCR...........

[riley989]

I've just watched "Marley and Me" on my new iPad 6.73 with fps of 87.4. I couldn't really tell the difference from when I watched it last week on my Phillips K9 playing through the VCR...........

I'm not surprisesed when seen on a screen that small. Also as far am I'm aware Ipads are only 60htz screens?

[Russ]

I've always hated the 24fps look that the videographers always seem to crave! The stuttering pans or zooms are so terrible to watch.

[rjd]

I've always hated the 24fps look that the videographers always seem to crave! The stuttering pans or zooms are so terrible to watch.

Thats not a 24fps cinema issue thas the pulldown effect converting 24fps to video...

[Russ]

Thats not a 24fps cinema issue thas the pulldown effect converting 24fps to video...

Huh? Don't understand.

[rjd]

You shouldnt see any juddering on panning in the cinema.

To take cinemas 24fps and show it in the home it needs adjusting, either to pal (50fps) which they just double it (to 48) and it plays a little faster (and on most films the audio is 4% higher pitch too!).

Or to NTSC /60fps, and they do this by duplicating every 4th frame etc. (google ntsc pulldown). This is what causes the juddering.

A lot of blurays are encoded at 24fps and this is done in the player if the TV doesnt support 24fps hidef standard.

[Russ]

You shouldnt see any juddering on panning in the cinema.

But I do, and always have. I've always been annoyed by it.